tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7608702.post6158806026543348782..comments2023-10-25T08:46:20.242-05:00Comments on The Distributist Review: More on Auto ESOP from WSJJohn Médaillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16463267750952578888noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7608702.post-39643481737281582552009-07-08T18:24:12.897-05:002009-07-08T18:24:12.897-05:00I am just working on a post on thewhitelilyblog up...I am just working on a post on thewhitelilyblog updating ASOC info, and noticed that Norm Kurland of Just Third Way and the American Revolutionary Party is on the board of directors. Their website says, or used to say, they are pro-life, but I have private correspondence with Mr. Kurland that indicates he would not make the roll-back of Roe a deal breaker; it is not worth 'starting a civil war over.' (I demurred, of course.)<br /><br />Do you think that matters in an initiative like this one? I do not think there is any way a Catholic could support any health care reform plan at all, even a cooperative one, with this administration at the healm, and perhaps never, as long as abortion is legal. But maybe not an initiative like this one. Tell me what you think. Since there is no "notify of follow-ups" here, feel free to come to thewhitelyly to leave me a reply, on any post. I'll try to check back here, too, but I tend to get lost in the new posts.Jan Bakerhttp://thewhitelilyblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7608702.post-6889287867390156162009-05-06T08:43:00.000-05:002009-05-06T08:43:00.000-05:00Thanks Jim. It's not the whole answer but it's int...Thanks Jim. It's not the whole answer but it's interesting and encouraging and I'll look into it. I knew UAW reps from Harvester who just road the concessions train right to oblivion. The UAW stopped learning a long time ago. But there are UAW members who can do most anything well. <br /><br />The core thing to me is that the purpose of business is service to the community, at a fair profit; service being prior to profit.Tom Laneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01811615310314303793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7608702.post-61734162295018762902009-05-05T20:56:00.000-05:002009-05-05T20:56:00.000-05:00Tom Said: "it still leaves the production system t...Tom Said: "it still leaves the production system too large and the same shifty management characters in power."<br /><br />The management issue is the key in my view. Have you ever heard the SRC story ? I'm not saying this is the complete answer, but it's a big step in the right direction.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do9zeFpBoPIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7608702.post-33353171776823991042009-05-05T19:36:00.000-05:002009-05-05T19:36:00.000-05:00I'm no expert on Guilds but Mondragon is not a Gui...I'm no expert on Guilds but Mondragon is not a Guild either is it? But it's a hell of a lot better than anything coming out of Detroit or DC.<br /><br />The idea, that engineers and lineworkers would participate in an inspirational production system, protect craft and quality, is somewhat like a Guild I think. <br /><br />This ESOP plan needs to be tweaked because it still leaves the production system too large and the same shifty management characters in power. <br /><br />I think Michele Mauder is honest, works hard and is quite courageous. It is not easy to stand up to the UAW. I've had several phone conversations with her and maybe 50 emails. She is one gutsy lady!Tom Laneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01811615310314303793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7608702.post-28713644233623783812009-05-05T15:36:00.000-05:002009-05-05T15:36:00.000-05:00Jeff, Mauder says they're not the UAW. I asked her...Jeff, Mauder says they're not the UAW. I asked her in a personal letter, that's what she said. I asked about the connection to the democratic party, and she replied that there was no connection other than the support of Conyers (not their support of Conyers, his support of the proposal), and then she said neither were they connected with the UAW. Of course, she might be lying. And so what if this isn't a guild, by the definition. This is a cooperative. But isn't that still distributist?Jan Bakerhttp://thewhitelilyblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7608702.post-87432582772060083752009-05-05T13:40:00.000-05:002009-05-05T13:40:00.000-05:00Let's not kid ourselves into believing that the UA...Let's not kid ourselves into believing that the UAW, whether one is thinking of its leadership, or the rank and file, has any connection whatsoever to the medieval concept of the guild.Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7608702.post-1221775660615846522009-05-05T08:33:00.000-05:002009-05-05T08:33:00.000-05:00Jan. Straight up? YES. One can quibble with this a...Jan. Straight up? YES. One can quibble with this aspect or that, one can suggest this change or that. But underlying it all is absolute support for worker ownership, for overcoming the division between capital and labor, as John Paul II advised us, for ensuring that each person is entitle to consider himself as "part owner of the great workbench at which he is working with everyone else."John Médaillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16463267750952578888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7608702.post-39940646418586464482009-05-05T07:56:00.000-05:002009-05-05T07:56:00.000-05:00Tell me straight up, Distributist Review: should C...Tell me straight up, Distributist Review: should Catholics help this initiative, or not?Jan Bakerhttp://thewhitelilyblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7608702.post-87187576115627726342009-05-05T07:45:00.000-05:002009-05-05T07:45:00.000-05:00The ultimate irony is the unions have always suppo...The ultimate irony is the unions have always supported the Democrats because they were for "the working man" and "the little guy" and it will be the Democrats that block worker ownership of Chrysler (and GM). It's much easier to control the politburo than the proletariat.<br /><br />Ronald Reagan's Speech on Project Economic Justice<br /><br />In 1987, the Center for Economic and Social Justice representatives delivered the Presidential Task Force report directly to President Ronald Reagan at a White House ceremony and Pope John Paul II in a private audience at the Vatican.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06vP84SqnS4Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com